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#1 06/05/2009 11:11 am

paperfacets
First mate
Registered: 05/26/2007
Posts: 472

I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

Now, I don't want to be a wet blanket with a well thought out change, so change my mind. It is pliable.

I want the middle divider back.

When I emailed my lenses to friends and relatives with the old face it was just too busy for them.
They said it was too confusing and they could not understand what was going on
in the page. The contents and the adverts lacked division. They wanted to focus on content but
ads got in the way.

So, tell me why is this step for the better. Just asking for enlightenment.

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#2 06/05/2009 11:13 am

kab
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Posts: 1780

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

I am not seeing a new look.  Where is the new look?

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#3 06/05/2009 11:18 am

Christene
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From: MA
Registered: 02/06/2007
Posts: 4773

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

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#4 06/05/2009 11:22 am

x3xsolxdierx3x
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Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 780

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

hm....I like how the ranking is pushed to underneath the Star rating....

and, all the bookmarking services are right there at the top, too.... smile


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#5 06/05/2009 11:23 am

paperfacets
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#6 06/05/2009 11:44 am

Chadrew
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From: Lithuania
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Posts: 1442

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

Good point, some sort of divider between the sidebar and content might be nice.

Also did the font change, because I don't like the new one much (although it might look better in a real lens than a screenshot)...

Is the orange "feedback" button gone in the new max design? Sweet, nice move Squidoo!

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#7 06/05/2009 11:44 am

thefluffanutta
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From: York, England SquidUtils.com
Registered: 09/04/2006
Posts: 7473

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

A few things people might have missed when reading the blog post:
1) the 'Min' or 'Unmax' style will also be changed to match the new Max style (hurrah!)
2) more choice to do with the look and feel of your lenses, including a variety of colours
3) new design for the Guestbook module...

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#8 06/05/2009 11:45 am

kab
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Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 1780

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

I see now.  It doesn't bug me.  Although I don't like that our avatar shrunk, and I prefer the badges under the avatar, and not under the description.

I assume that an updated guestbook would utilize the "reply" feature better.

megancasey wrote:

And if that gives you the blues, we’ve got some greens and purples and pinks on the way, too.

Curious about this line.  Perhaps that's the little something extra - pick your own color?
Since people will inevitably want the sidebar to be separated from the content, why not let us pick a color for that?
I'm kinda jonesing for a little more squid orange on the page...maybe I'll have to put it there myself.

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#9 06/05/2009 12:18 pm

joshuabrown
Squid Staff / Forum Mod
From: Dallas
Registered: 11/08/2005
Posts: 186

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

Since I designed the new lens, I thought I'd tell you's guys what was going through my mind when I was pushing pixels in Photoshop.

I've had numerous discussions with Corey, Megan et al about lens design since coming on board last summer.  We all agreed that there was too much going on in the current (soon-to-be old) lens design.  But we also knew that much of that information was needed.  After a few revision cycles, we came up with something that is streamlined, yet still provides all the necessary essentials for site visitors and lensmasters.

In the site header, we lost the taglines and category designation next to the logo.  Links were consolidated into a single menu that uses dropdowns.  Finally, we made search and a lens-building call to action more prominent by borrowing those element from the recently-released home page.

The lens header has been moved to the top of the main content column.  Lens stats have been pruned and social icons have been added (previously housed in the sidebar).  By moving the lens header to the content column, the lensmaster bio is now more prominently featured, which we hope everyone will appreciate. smile

The sidebar is much cleaner as well.  Since search and the social icons have been removed, other sidebar elements have been moved up the page.  The lensmaster toolbox has been streamlined.  Gone is the orange background and intro text.

Not only is max changing on the outside, but Blake has been working hard to change it on the inside, too.  I won't go into details, but you'll notice the results when you visit front doors.  Max, Twttrlist, Squidlit, Squidwho, etc. will now be generated from the same files.  Styles and images will create the appropriate skins for those lens types. The result: all lenses will be laid out the same, so visitors (and lensmasters) won't have to search for nav links, search fields, etc.  Front doors have been touched up in the process.

I won't go into details about the new feature Megan referred to in the blog post, but I think you'll enjoy it.  In fact, it was the catalyst for all the above changes.

Paperfacets, even though we lost the vertical break between columns, I think this new design will be much less confusing to site visitors.  At least, I hope. smile


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#10 06/05/2009 12:21 pm

Cinetech
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From: Montreal
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 1489

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

Josh,

It's great the new design will match the home page.
I like the overall look, navigation and the placement of social media buttons.
I agree with less is more.

However I have concerns on the new design usability.

* The separators really add refinement to the actual design,
in the sense that makes one's eyes focus easily on the things
that are important. In the new design, it's white everywhere,
and it might make the visitor's eyes wander and not sure what to focus on.

* I like to see higher contrast between background and text.
If we want people to stay longer reading our lenses,
this is a very important thing to consider.

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#11 06/05/2009 12:28 pm

joshuabrown
Squid Staff / Forum Mod
From: Dallas
Registered: 11/08/2005
Posts: 186

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

kab wrote:

I see now.  It doesn't bug me.  Although I don't like that our avatar shrunk, and I prefer the badges under the avatar, and not under the description

The avatar was just too big for the page.  When I came to any new lens, my eyes always went to the lensmaster pic.  Although that's cool for those of us better looking than me, the real focus should be on the lens title. smile

The badges won't fit under the new pic.

Chadrew wrote:

Also did the font change, because I don't like the new one much (although it might look better in a real lens than a screenshot)...

The new font is arial. Max used to have Trebuchet. It's purely subjective, but I find Arial much easier on my eyes when reading long lenses.


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#12 06/05/2009 12:34 pm

paperfacets
First mate
Registered: 05/26/2007
Posts: 472

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

Josh, good points. I like the buttons rearrangements and the perks for us lensmasters, but
new reader first impressions need focus especially people who don't usually read on the computer.

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#13 06/05/2009 12:37 pm

Cinetech
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From: Montreal
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 1489

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

joshuabrown wrote:

I find Arial much easier on my eyes when reading long lenses.

Yup, when designing and try testing new fonts, I always go back to Arial or Helvetica. Great choice!

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#14 06/05/2009 12:57 pm

dc64
Positively aquatic
From: Alabama
Registered: 10/15/2007
Posts: 250

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

I like the new look also, but like some of those above, I'd like the divider back also. Perhaps not all the way down to the bottom of the page, just enough to separate the ads and other such info from the subject matter of the lens. With no break, everything else is too distracting and I think it would take away from the flow of a person's work.

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#15 06/05/2009 1:05 pm

MobyD
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From: Portland, OR
Registered: 10/19/2007
Posts: 1425

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

I notice that the lens' rank in its category is under the rating stars, which is good. But I notice the overall lensrank is in the Toolbox. That tells me only the lensmaster is going to see the overall lensrank for that lens. I don't like that at all. As an Angel, I pay attention to a lens' overall rank. It can affect what I might do about rating a lens or giving it a thumbs up/down.

Even aside from being an Angel, I just like seeing where a lens stands overall on Squidoo. If all we're going to see is its rank in its category, we'll be missing something I consider important. Some categories may be small in comparison to others, so a low number may not be as meaningful as the same low number in a much larger category.

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#16 06/05/2009 1:08 pm

joshuabrown
Squid Staff / Forum Mod
From: Dallas
Registered: 11/08/2005
Posts: 186

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

MobyD, this was just a comp that Megan posted. Overall lens rank is included in the final template.


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#17 06/05/2009 1:11 pm

Dkprincess6
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From: Moundsview, MN
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 1473

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

I have to say I like the new look.  I think it's easier on the eyes.  I agree with MobyD on the lensrank thing though.

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#18 06/05/2009 1:22 pm

Trekkiemelissa
Citizen Squid Alumni

From: Illinois, Chicagoland
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 970

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

As someone whom is usually critical in the past when it comes to webdesign.  This time, you made me happy.   I love the new look.  I can't wait to see it.  Personally, I always hated all of the dividers.   It looks a lot cleaner with the new look.

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#19 06/05/2009 1:24 pm

thefluffanutta
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From: York, England SquidUtils.com
Registered: 09/04/2006
Posts: 7473

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

joshuabrown wrote:

The new font is arial. Max used to have Trebuchet. It's purely subjective, but I find Arial much easier on my eyes when reading long lenses.

can you increase the font-size too? I manually increase the size of most of my lenses to 14px, but it would be really nice not to have to do that any more. I think that Arial appears smaller than Trebuchet at the same size, so bigger would be better.

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#20 06/05/2009 1:31 pm

joshuabrown
Squid Staff / Forum Mod
From: Dallas
Registered: 11/08/2005
Posts: 186

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

thefluffanutta wrote:

joshuabrown wrote:

The new font is arial. Max used to have Trebuchet. It's purely subjective, but I find Arial much easier on my eyes when reading long lenses.

can you increase the font-size too? I manually increase the size of most of my lenses to 14px, but it would be really nice not to have to do that any more. I think that Arial appears smaller than Trebuchet at the same size, so bigger would be better.

Weird!  I've found the opposite when it comes to Treb vs. Arial.  Right now, paragraph text is at 12px.  I'm actually thinking about recommending we add a font size switcher to the lens.  Since I'm doing everything with em's based on the body default, it'll be a snap to have all font sizes increase/decrease in harmony.


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#21 06/05/2009 1:32 pm

joshuabrown
Squid Staff / Forum Mod
From: Dallas
Registered: 11/08/2005
Posts: 186

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

Trekkiemelissa wrote:

As someone whom is usually critical in the past when it comes to webdesign.  This time, you made me happy.   I love the new look.  I can't wait to see it.  Personally, I always hated all of the dividers.   It looks a lot cleaner with the new look.

Thanks! After looking over some of your lenses, I think you'll like what this next design update is going to include.


Joshua Brown
Designer/Developer
Squidoo

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#22 06/05/2009 1:43 pm

Trekkiemelissa
Citizen Squid Alumni

From: Illinois, Chicagoland
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 970

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

joshuabrown wrote:

Trekkiemelissa wrote:

As someone whom is usually critical in the past when it comes to webdesign.  This time, you made me happy.   I love the new look.  I can't wait to see it.  Personally, I always hated all of the dividers.   It looks a lot cleaner with the new look.

Thanks! After looking over some of your lenses, I think you'll like what this next design update is going to include.

ooh should I be scared.  tongue

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#23 06/05/2009 1:55 pm

Cinetech
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From: Montreal
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 1489

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

joshuabrown wrote:

I'm actually thinking about recommending we add a font size switcher to the lens.

YES!
Agree with Fluff that the default font is too small.

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#24 06/05/2009 2:05 pm

Cinetech
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From: Montreal
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 1489

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

Trekkiemelissa wrote:

Personally, I always hated all of the dividers.   It looks a lot cleaner with the new look.

With all due respect, it's not a matter if one likes or not. It's all about the reader's experience.
It's about if the reader is willing to stay and continue reading your lens or leave because he
or she doesn't know where to focus on. It's about eliminating obstacles for the visitor to be invited
and continue reading our lenses. Btw, that's why I prefer a bigger default text font.

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#25 06/05/2009 2:21 pm

Trekkiemelissa
Citizen Squid Alumni

From: Illinois, Chicagoland
Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 970

Re: I'm a little diappointed with the new lens look.

Cinetech wrote:

Trekkiemelissa wrote:

Personally, I always hated all of the dividers.   It looks a lot cleaner with the new look.

With all due respect, it's not a matter if one likes or not. It's all about the reader's experience.
It's about if the reader is willing to stay and continue reading your lens or leave because he
or she doesn't know where to focus on. It's about eliminating obstacles for the visitor to be invited
and continue reading our lenses. Btw, that's why I prefer a bigger default text font.

The thing is most sites have it without dividers.  Yes our eyes usually point to the right, but we also know where the information is supposed to be.  Its a rules of thirds when it comes to design.  There are other sites that don't have dividers.

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