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#1 07/08/2008 12:44 pm

thefluffanutta
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From: York, England SquidUtils.com
Registered: 09/04/2006
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3rd Party Traffic Statistics [Review]

For the past month or so, I've been trialling www.StatCounter.com and www.SiteMeter.com on my lenses, to get some additional stats about my visitors. At a time when Squidoo's own tracking is unavailable, this could be useful. Maybe. Here's my review:

Both services provide an image tracker, which you can put in your Lensmaster Profile. This will then also appear on all of your lenses that use the default bio. (I also added it to the couple lenses I had with specific bios). StatCounter offer an invisible tracker, which is nice.

The downside of having to use an image tracker is the limited information you get (it's not possible to use the Javascript version) - there's no stats about where your traffic is coming from, or keywords that your lens is ranking for. We have to rely on Squidoo for that data.

What you do get from these tracking services is an aggregate traffic across all of your lenses (and profile), and they will plot a pretty chart over the last week/month. You also get to see unique visits versus page views, so you can work out how many pages per visit you're getting.

You can get a list of the top entry pages, (which lenses get the unique visitors), as well as the top exit pages (the last page a unique visitor sees). This is where we start to see a differentiation between the two services, and the limitation of the free accounts: StatCounter only shows you the distribution of the last 500 visits, and the last 100 visits on SiteMeter. Now I'm averaging 700 visits per day across my lenses, so this limitation means I can't get even a day's worth.

Warning: The criteria for 'uniqueness' varies site to site, so don't expect them to perfectly agree with each other or with Squidoo's own numbers.

Another statistic you can get that Squidoo doesn't provide is the countries your visitors are coming from. StatCounter shows absolute numbers, while SiteMeter shows percentages. The previous 500 and 100 limites apply here too. This isn't entirely useful, as the distribution will change during the day (because of timezones).

(You can also see which browsers your visitors use, though this is perhaps less relevant for Lensmasters.)

Generally, that's about all I've found useful from these services. You can upgrade your accounts so that they can collect more data, but I've not done this myself. Alternatively, you could create a separate tracker for every lens you make (or maybe groups of lenses) which will allow you to collect more data, and the expense of convenience (I may well give this a try).

I would love to hear about any cool statistics you've been able to unearth from these services, or any other similar services that also work well on Squidoo.

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#2 07/08/2008 1:01 pm

WhippetTalk
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Re: 3rd Party Traffic Statistics [Review]

I use StatCounter on my CafePress stores.  I tried to install it on my lenses but wasn't sure how to insert the code because of the java script.  But I see now they have an HTML code.  However the description says:

"It is not recommended to choose this option as it will not be possible to record the referring link, page title and other information. Only choose this if you web host does not allow you to insert javascript into your webpage. We recommend you move to a web host that will give you proper access to your website."

So, I'm not sure how much info I would really get from it.

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#3 07/08/2008 1:07 pm

ThomasC
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Re: 3rd Party Traffic Statistics [Review]

I set up the java code for statcounter, then appied it to my bio and squidoo took out the code that wouldnt work, and I still get the results that thefluff was talking about!

I just wish the whole code would work like normal so we could see all our stats! Or I wish Squidoo would implement a stat tracker very similar to statcounter. Anyone running webpages needs these stats.

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#4 07/08/2008 1:08 pm

Christene
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Re: 3rd Party Traffic Statistics [Review]

i use statcounter and love it...i like being able to look at the charts and see fluctuations...and see when people hop from one lens to another...and return visits ect.

if you haven't tried it (or something similar) this is what the graph looks like

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/cr9245/Temp/StatsSnippit.jpg

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#5 07/08/2008 1:41 pm

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Re: 3rd Party Traffic Statistics [Review]

I love statcounter for my blogs, but I agree that without the complete code it isn't a whole lot of good on a lens.  It's fun to see where the visitors are from (where they live) but it doesn't give referring links, keywords, or search engine statistics, which is the important part to me and what Squidoo provides.  I guess working together the two sets of statistics do provide more complete information.

I like your suggestion, Fluffa, of putting the code in the profile, although of course the 500 visits on the free version wouldn't go very far for those who have a lot of lenses and a lot of traffic.  One statcounter for each lens is certainly a lot to keep track of, though.

Love that graph, Christene.  I default to the bar graph, but that one is really snazzy-looking!


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#6 07/08/2008 2:12 pm

Christene
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Re: 3rd Party Traffic Statistics [Review]

i like the bar graph for looking at the week...but it's a big unreadable mess looking at it over the past few months

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#7 07/08/2008 2:24 pm

poddys
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Re: 3rd Party Traffic Statistics [Review]

This sounds like a good idea.
There might be other counters out there that do more.
I'm sure Fluffanitta is racking his brains working on one right now smile

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#8 07/08/2008 8:41 pm

Loyalis
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Registered: 12/31/1969
Posts: 1088

Re: 3rd Party Traffic Statistics [Review]

I'm on the hunt for some as well, I'll let you guys know what I turn up. Unfortunately with no javascript, it's going to be hard to get much more than what statcounter gives.

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#9 07/09/2008 3:32 am

The_Book_Garden
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Re: 3rd Party Traffic Statistics [Review]

I've been using statcounter for a while on my  bio page, I find the HTML version does complement my stats from squidoo nicely. especially for info on unique visits and whether people are viewing more than one page, data which squidoo do not provide. Also the geographical map showing where visits are coming from is great and does show that squidoo is quite US centric though I have seen my stats show far greqater visitor numbers from outside th US on many occassions.

http://www.shareapic.net/preview3/009853774.jpg   
Also, the stats on how long visitors actually stay on your page are worth checking, though mine look a little depressing sad

http://www.shareapic.net/preview3/009853777.jpg

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#10 07/09/2008 4:22 am

thefluffanutta
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From: York, England SquidUtils.com
Registered: 09/04/2006
Posts: 7185

Re: 3rd Party Traffic Statistics [Review]

The_Book_Garden wrote:

Also, the stats on how long visitors actually stay on your page are worth checking, though mine look a little depressing sad (http://www.shareapic.net/content.php?id=9853777)

Actually, this chart doesn't mean what you think it means. Because of how the image tracker works, you will only get visit duration when someone jumps to one of your other lenses. So here, ~17% of your visitors stayed on Squidoo and visited another one of your lenses. Of those 17%, almost half of them stayed for 30 seconds - 5 minutes.

For the 83% who didn't visit more than one lens, there is no data on how long they stayed. The text at the bottom of that page explains it in detail.

On the country stats, the distribution will be different in the morning compared to the evening. I would suggest moving any UK specific lenses to a separate tracker, so that you can get a better representation of where visitors are coming from.

Now that I've started to use separate StatCounter trackers for different projects, I'm going to keep my (single) SiteMeter tracker as well on all my lenses, so that I can get my aggregate chart.

PS: using an image tracker as the logo for your Amazon aStore gives you some awesome traffic data, though the URLs are unique for every visitor.

Last edited by thefluffanutta (07/09/2008 4:25 am)

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#11 07/09/2008 12:26 pm

The_Book_Garden
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Re: 3rd Party Traffic Statistics [Review]

Thanks for clarifying that Fluff!

I don't look at that chart very often and was pretty surprised to see such short visit durations, though now you've corrected my  assumption I can be quite pleased that 17% of visitors were for those viewing more than 1 page. Will have to see if I  can improve that stat!

As for UK stats, well my daily total visitor count doesn;t break the 500 (yet!) so the map does give a good indication.

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#12 07/09/2008 12:40 pm

Crystal_Booth
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Re: 3rd Party Traffic Statistics [Review]

Thanks, Fluff for starting this thread. I have been using StatCounter, but I had not installed it on my lenses that were not using the default profile, so you have reminded me to get to it!

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#13 07/09/2008 12:50 pm

poddys
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Re: 3rd Party Traffic Statistics [Review]

I had read about creating different profiles, haven't yet figured out how to do it though.
Not sure I really want to at this point...

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#14 07/24/2008 1:31 am

Timewarp
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Re: 3rd Party Traffic Statistics [Review]

Great idea adding the tracker to the bio, quick way to give it a try and see some aggregated stats across all lenses.

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#15 09/08/2008 5:17 am

thefluffanutta
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From: York, England SquidUtils.com
Registered: 09/04/2006
Posts: 7185

Re: 3rd Party Traffic Statistics [Review]

After a tip off from triathlontraining, I'm now experimenting with a new package called Clicky. It's early days (or rather hours), but here are my initial thoughts:

- the site as a whole is slick and very Web 2.0
- it's limited to 1,000 daily visits, which is more than the other two
- they have an image based tracker, ideal for Squidoo

I shall have to see how well it works after I've collected a weeks worth of traffic data, but so far I really like it.

Last edited by thefluffanutta (09/08/2008 5:18 am)

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#16 09/08/2008 6:39 am

triathlontraining
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Re: 3rd Party Traffic Statistics [Review]

Here's a comparison Clicky and their competition. 

I have a list of the various stats tools that I've found that will work on Squidoo: Stats Tools

Last edited by triathlontraining (09/08/2008 6:41 am)


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#17 09/24/2008 3:01 pm

Timewarp
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Re: 3rd Party Traffic Statistics [Review]

Christene wrote:

i like the bar graph for looking at the week...but it's a big unreadable mess looking at it over the past few months

For longer term perspectives I go for the area graph and then select weekly or monthly instead of daily.

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#18 09/24/2008 4:45 pm

The_Book_Garden
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Re: 3rd Party Traffic Statistics [Review]

Has anyone tried clustrmaps?

I just remembered I tried  it out on one of my first lenses then forgot about it when I discovered statcounter. It looks great on a lens and gives at a glance an idea of where people are visiting from and I'd say it was a lot better than a numbers box, but you get very little other info from it, at least with statcounter you get graphs!

Here's the link to the one I;ve been running for a while - http://www3.clustrmaps.com/counter/maps … cessories/

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